10:05. It doesn’t work so she floats down. The crux of the argument lies in the battle between Obi-Wan and Darth Maul in the third act of The Phantom Menace. Vol. If you count Kylo/Ben I think she comes in second then. There’s no conjecture or wild extrapolations. luke floated in tlj, so it seems to be a meditative thing as it's only ever seen then, the dyad seems to allow them to be able to effect one another to a greater degree than anyone else, as the force heal on the worm creature heals its wounds, in their case it saves them from death (albeit requiring one of their lives to do so), so it's an equivalent exchange of sorts, the force bond duel shows that it's basically a force version of quantum entanglement, where the actions of 1 effect the person/area around them even when they aren't physically present in the same space. And if bloodlines have any direct correlations with the level of power gained from tapping into the Force, then Rey would be the greatest threat to whatever form the Sith has taken. She only defeated him in TFA's because he was a total mess in so many ways. Either Obi-Wan Kenobi is the Forest Gump of Star Wars or else he’s simply just that good. looking at it along with the prequels you'd think the ot jedi and sith were weaker than padawan's given the speed and acrobatics we see and how easily objects are moved with the force compared to luke's saber or the x wing, but we know that's not the case, the sequel trilogy dials back the speed and lightsaber combat to put it back to the same level as the ot, but compensates by increasing the force powers effects, (the dyad is used to explain rey and ren's powers being buffed near each other, as rey is able to heal his fatal wound and he is able to resurrect her, something that was considered impossible in the prequels.). Probably would never be as wise as the 900+ year old yoda. Who tracked down and dispatched General Grevious, a literal Jedi killing machine? Yeah. She may not currently be… You must unlearn what you have learned. It’s pretty much black and white, and from the get-go, it's compelling. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Obi Wan Kenobi: Rise. I hate to say but her resume of powers would deems her the most powerful Jedi we’ve seen in film. Deep down I believe she may end up being the most powerful Jedi ever. Only different in your mind. He is also the co-creator of the popular comedy Twitter account @a_single_bear. I read the day before the release of TROS that of your the last of your bloodline, and ate force sensitive your will be the strongest in all of your family that came before you. Click the button below to start this article in quick view. Rey MORE Powerful than Yoda?? Kylo would understandably be high, as he is grandson of Anakin, but 24000 seems a bit high. so when we see rey and ren (who are stated to be absurdly strong by luke and palpatine) fight it's hard to judge based on the way they swing as that was a film making decision (in case i'm not being clear, what i mean is if the anakin and obi-wan fight was directed by abrams of johnson it would look very different to what we got). Rey is included because there's no doubt that she will become one of the strongest Jedi ever. 1 Yoda Trained With The Force For 800 Years - Duration: 10:05. Cookies help us deliver our Services. KEEP READING: Star Wars: The Vintage Collection Hasbro Figures Feature Sith Troopers. I can rationalize the whole chosen one issue by keeping in mind that Anakin destroyed the Sith, Rey merely prevented a new rise. This along with many other questions about Rey … "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" features brief cameos from Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda, director J. Yoda spoke of it. And who (aside from Yoda) did we see escape Order 66 in Revenge of the Sith, despite the overwhelming odds? Several fans have floated the idea that Rey isn’t related to the Solos or the Skywalkers or even Palpatine, as previously hypothesized. Lmao Rey definitely stronger than movie Yoda. The film arrives on Dec. 20. neither of them can pull the saber closer than the other. The movies are not the only canon sources. Press J to jump to the feed. I'm going to burn it all down. It’s nigh impossible to quantify the Force in Star Wars. Mike Fugere is writer from Virginia Beach, where he lives with his two sons and wife. i.e palpatines power is so great fisto couldn't predict his attack and couldn't react, if rey's power dwarfs another saber wielders there's no reason to think the same thing wouldn't happen to them. Rey Skywalker is a human female scavenger who discovered her latent Force-sensitivity while on a quest to find the legendary Jedi Master Luke Skywalker and bring a new hope to a galaxy on the brink of war. Over the years, she became a proficient scavenger employed under Unkar Plutt, and had to turn in any piece scrap she could salvage in return for food. As mentioned previously, this movie is intense and violent. Villain destroyed by his own hubris and all that. A Star Wars fan theory suggests there's plenty of evidence in the prequels that Obi-Wan Kenobi was the most powerful Force user. Some things are stronger than blood. Yoda. No. given that leia has being canonized as a trained jedi then rey did have a teacher who knew about saber combat, though she lacks experience, as we saw with anakin (who was far less experienced than every duelist he fought, until luke), experience isn't the be all end all of who would win. They can literally stop people from dying. Imo Palpatine was definitely nowwhere near his peak really in TROS despite doing all the things you mentioned. Welcome to r/StarWarsSpeculation! ... Was a mentor to Rey. If she continues to grow and is trained by Luke Skywalker’s force ghost, Rey has the potential to become stronger than Vader was. After Ren interrogated her, we saw Rey wield the Force and do so to an impressive degree. And lastly, Rey. Bring on Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker — maybe Rey still has the capacity to be a better Jedi than both Anakin and Luke. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. Not only was Rey the first that truly defeated the most powerful Sith Lord, but she also showed her strong connection with the Force by calling upon the most powerful Jedi for assistance, proving her to be one of the strongest force users in all of Star Wars. Found a Jedi temple and trained a load of people. Add that to the fact that she is a Palpatine and you have your answer. Follow him on his personal Twitter @MikeFugere. If obi wan could heal , he’d heal qui-gon after he got wrecked by maul. She cannot be compared to Anakins potential. Star Wars Speculation is a community dedicated to speculative discussion of the Star Wars franchise. The scene of Rey and Ben pulling at the legacy saber on the Supremacy suggests that they are actually equally stong in the force. Palpatine may have seen Obi-Wan’s power. As much as a faction of fans will probably hate to admit it, the whole space opera may hinge on Rey’s fate. Please be respectful and courteous to your fellow speculators - and be sure to check out our sidebar for the rules of this sub. His volatile nature and background make him stronger with the Force than Rey. https://www.cbr.com › star-wars-theory-obi-wan-most-powerful-jedi-palpatine Yoda would be about 19000, because Qui-Gon said “it’s over 20000. Has Obi-Wan been the backbone of the Star Wars universe for the past 40-some-odd years, and we were too busy worrying about that troublesome Skywalker clan the entire time? But hey, this is Star Wars we’re talking about; it’s an engine that runs on nitpicky holes in logic. Everybody wants to rule the world, at least according to the English pop-rock band Tears for Fears. This theory, if proven true, would add some context as to why Emperor Palpatine is making a return in some capacity in the forthcoming Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. RELATED: Star Wars Actor Doesn't Believe Fans Who Say They'll Boycott Episode IX. Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker star John Boyega has some controversial opinions regarding who the best Jedi is. Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi. After all darth vader was basically his bitch so maybe that gives her an edge over luke and anakin in their prime lol, She won’t use force lightning ever again. In the galaxy far, far away, though, people want to rule a lot more than just one world. I see SEE as being quite largely superior as a unit. given the dialogue and display of power in TLJ we can assume that she is atleast the strongest force user in the movies, Luke about Reys Force Powers: "I have seen such raw strength only once before in Ben Solo.". Rey was born to unidentified parents. After reading wesskwalker’s theory, the latter seems to be the more likely of the two. Remember, all viewpoints and critiques are welcome here - but for excessive ranting and blind cynicism, we ask that you please visit other communities more suitable to your tastes. Technically kill you with a half teleportation technique while they’re still at there separate location. But keep in mind that Luke was not connected to the force at that point and he didnt measure her midichlorians either, so there is no way he could have been sure. Vaders force power got alot stronger at least thats what i believe the comics and books are telling . Directed and co-written by J.J. Abrams, Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker stars Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, Lupita Nyong’o, Domhnall Gleeson, Kelly Marie Tran, Joonas Suotamo, Billie Lourd, Keri Russell, Anthony Daniels, Mark Hamill, Billy Dee Williams, Matt Smith and Carrie Fisher, with Naomi Ackie and Richard E. Grant. Yoda: Rise in the Force. Either way, yes, Palpatine is either above Yoda in Legends due to ridiculous Legends Palpatine feats, or above Yoda in canon because he's ALL THE SITH!!! Even greater than Yoda and even greater than Anakin! Its … rey lifting hundreds of rocks is just the escalation of showing someone is strong, as each saga had different power scales. They can. Its evidence is on the screen. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. i think the reason it's hard to compare is because the style of the film maker effects the story being told / visuals on screen. the ship pulling scene is fine for me, we've seen it before, and in the same film it shows the falcons engines blasting people away and kylo has to use the force to stop himself from being harmed rather than focusing on grabbing the ship, plus the ship they grabbed was a small transport and emphasized that the falcon was fast/powerful enough to out perform an x wing, a real life analogy would be the transport is a helicopter the falcon is a blackbird the difference in power is huge. The most frequently reported theory is that Rey is actually Obi-Wan’s granddaughter. 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It’s a dark side power and in order to use it one must feed it with fear, anger, or hate, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the starwarsspeculation community, Continue browsing in r/starwarsspeculation. i mean if we're just going by the films nothing anakin or obi-wan does is comparable. Who is stronger than Darth Vader? Despite her initial strength, Rey is not strong enough to surpass Darth Vader, yet. ... "REY IS STRONGER THAN ANAKIN DELETE." Tier: 9-A naturally. Or Vader could’ve absorbed Kanan and Ezra due to there connection and grew his limbs back. 0. Is Rey stronger than Luke? So I’ll give you one more chance to look away if you haven’t seen Star Wars: Episode IX. as for palpatine, she found her place, learning her heritage and rejecting it and the throne of the sith in favor of the jedi and so was able to hear the voices of the thousand generations, so her surviving palpatine is a combined feat, his death was caused by his own lightning. In previously released films, the idea of anger being a path to the Dark Side was frequently exposed. That’s more than master Yoda” meaning yoda was close to that benchmark. tldr; based on visuals she is far and away the strongest, based on story there is nothing to suggest palpatine is any stronger in tros than he was in rots or rotj, it's just a difference of style depicting the power in different ways, her feats dwarf most of the jedi council, though i think this may also be due to the film making, as the years roll on things need to be "bigger faster more intense", so if we get a film set before the phantom menace i don't doubt that the feats will be well above the other films (perhaps not quite on the level of the dyad though). Please be reasonable and open-minded. her and ben when together seem capable of more than any force user we've seen (barring palpatine). The list goes on man. This theory posits that Obi-Wan Kenobi might be the most powerful Jedi audiences have encountered in the entire saga thus far. Like Revenge of the Sith Palpatine would have beat her, so would Windu and Yoda and Anakin (which even John Boyega agreed to). After all, this is an inter-generational story about space wizards and laser swords that occurred a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. After all, who defeated Anakin? If she were to develop her lightning powers, agreed her lightsaber skills (maybe a double lightsaber or 2 single), and simply with age comes maturity and wisdom she has great potential. If Macho Man Randy Savage played Emperor Palpatine in Star Wars - Duration: 1:10. List of Over 100 Star Wars Episode IX Quotes. She is one of the new characters of the series, and is the main protagonist of the sequel films, having debuted in Episode Vll: The Force Awakens. Kannan Jarus: In the heart of a Jedi lies their strength. Luke Skywalker: [Yoda appears as a ghost] Master Yoda.. Yoda: Young Skywalker.. Luke Skywalker: I'm ending all of this.The tree, the texts, the Jedi. Obi Wan Kenobi: Rey. Look i dont like her character too much either but im talking about the FEATS she has, not her character, nor how is she so strong are in talk here. Sidious may have been at full power after draining Rey and Ben but he arguably defeated himself since it was his own force lightning that killed him (as well as Rey), which seems pretty fair. And Anakin was the strongest Force user alive with a higher midichlorian count than even master Yoda, right? He flat out counters JML teams thanks to all the anti-jedi synergy in his kit. Thank you and May the Force Be With You! Even if she developed these incredible feats, by reading the texts and be part of a strong lineage, Yoda, for example, remains stronger, wiser. Star Wars' John Boyega claims Anakin is a better Jedi than Rey and fans are divided. with Ben being dead Rey is clearly the strongest force user alive but also compared to the earlier generations. I’d estimate around 30000. Now, keep in mind this theory isn’t saying Obi-Wan is packed to the gills with midi-chlorians, hence he is number one. Luke Skywalker: Rey, some things are stronger than blood. Well she's actually not stronger than Ben. Moving ships around is nothing new. But one could argue palpatine was the most powerful (held the most power) throughout the 9 movies. and Yoda's just one Jedi because he isn't the true chosen one who will channel ALL THE JEDI, Rey Palpatine. She kept saying “be with me” hoping that Jedi of the past would speak to her. Yoda was peaceful and used violence only when necessary — in defense of himself or others, or to attack a Sith. … ... Rey. 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Fans of the Jedi Order have vouched for the Light Side whereas lovers of the Sith have made it abundantly clear the Dark Side cannot be stymied and will always find a way … They are both now the most powerful Force users (though Yoda scared the sh-t out of me in TLJ!). We saw Ren use the Force in ways we haven’t witnessed before. neither of them can pull the saber closer than the other. You could make a cast of Rey being the strongest Jedi of her generation. ... (to Rey) 1. And Anakin was the strongest Force user alive with a higher midichlorian count than even master Yoda, right? Cyclops was right. Perhaps Obi-Wan has always been there as something of an usher to make sure Anakin brings balance to the Force (the theory even states as much), but the subsequent rise of the Dark Side in the sequel trilogy proves that establishing balance doesn’t rest on the shoulders of one prophesied person. Asadora! 12 Stronger: Ajunta Pall He can take out numerous Jedi Masters and even Yoda. RELATED: Star Wars: Freddie Prinze Jr Drops Epic Rant on Fans, Franchise Mythology. However, figuring out which Force-user, be they Sith or Jedi, happens to be more powerful than their peers is far easier to navigate, as Reddit user wesskywalker lays out in a rather convincing fan theory. It’s been done before. Yoda. That leads into another theory that's been floating around since the release of Star Wars: The Force Awakens. 9-A with … Luke Skywalker, (to Rey… Her and Kylo are actually equal. WARNING: The following contains spoilers for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, in theaters now.. For decades, debates have raged which side is more powerful than the other in the Star Wars Universe. The protection drain in his link will obviously work better vs GL Rey/JML comps than it will against SLKR - this is just because SLKR lineups usually run KRU and sometimes Malak (reduced damage from % effects). And the most important feat, is she beating fking full power Palpatine... the one dude that just soled an ENTIRE FLEET OF SHIPS by far the most powerful feat in Star wars canon, and for Rey to be even close to that level, not only that but also beating him. Your destiny. Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi. We’ve seen Sith Lords test their apprentices time and time again, and the more you examine the relationship between Palpatine and Darth Vader, it quickly become apparent that the former had little faith in the latter. Naturally, fans rejected the points-based system of measurement for the Force, and with good reason. It is said in the The Force Awakens that Rey is particularly gifted with the Force and it is strongly hinted that she is related to Luke, Leia, and Kylo Ren in some way, or in other words, that she is a grandchild of Anakin Skywalker. The quantification of any spiritual ideology is pretty much ridiculous, especially when it’s predicated upon a predetermined level of microbe organisms living in one's body. For the next fourteen years, she awaited her family's return in vain. But yea they made Rey a Jedi Powerhouse. He laughs] Ah, Skywalker.Missed you, have I. Luke Skywalker: So it is time for the Jedi Order to end. No different. Even regular Rey has better force feats than movie Yoda. Yea we didn’t have that in the other movies. ... How Yoda plays a key role in Star Wars' new series. At the age of five, she was dropped off on the planet Jakku. Or, if it does, it may not rest on those of a Skywalker. If Mace Windu could’ve killed palp by his own lightning then he would’ve made him explode too. But for fans who have been paying attention to the films, and all of the surrounding media, this theory is right on the money, despite a few nitpicky holes in its logic (which are addressed within the theory). 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